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Traveller-digest     Friday, December 31 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1613<BR>
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(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.<BR>
All rights reserved.<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
Apocalypse 1110 IE<BR>
Re: Galaxy Quest!<BR>
Re: Happy New Year!<BR>
Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy<BR>
RE: Gone for the holidays, and 1yr anniversary<BR>
Re: Megacorps<BR>
Re: Keyboard kills<BR>
Re: Re Miranda<BR>
Re: SEC: UNCLASS - Farscape<BR>
Re: Old laws/weird legal systems<BR>
Re: T4: Marine Officer development<BR>
Re: Y2K<BR>
Mutiny on the Bounty Hunter<BR>
FW: Goverment Overkill<BR>
Family Ships was/Re: Gunnery<BR>
re:  Old laws/weird legal systems<BR>
Re: Why use .jpg?<BR>
Re: Trav-like computer games<BR>
Re: GURPS: trav ships and their power requirements<BR>
Rights of accused under Imperial law (Re: Old laws/weird legal systems)<BR>
Re: Y2K<BR>
Re: T4: Marine Officer development<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:23:06 -0800<BR>
From: Russell Bornschlegel <kaleja@estarcion.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
<BR>
Hans Rancke wrote:<BR>
> We're getting beyond my extremely limited knowledge of taxonomy, but I<BR>
> would have thought that two species would HAVE to be of the same genus<BR>
> in order to produce even sterile offspring. Isn't that sort of implied<BR>
> by the taxonomic system? <BR>
<BR>
That's the point. If humans and chimps are interbreedable, then we've<BR>
misclassified, and either Pan trogolydytes (IIRC) should be Homo Pan,<BR>
or we should be Pan sapiens. <BR>
<BR>
The book _The Third Chimpanzee_ by Jared Diamond is about exactly <BR>
this. The second chimpanzee is, IIRC, the Bonobo, who along with<BR>
Aslan and man is remarkable (if not unique) for having developed<BR>
recreational homosexuality.<BR>
<BR>
*waits for everyone to finish parsing that, grins, ducks, and runs*<BR>
<BR>
Remind me tell y'all about lesbian sheep sometime.<BR>
<BR>
- -Russell B<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:45:13 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Apocalypse 1110 IE<BR>
<BR>
"OK, when we go up against the Sword Worlders, we really mess<BR>
with their minds.  We basically take over their tactical radio<BR>
system and broadcast music back at them real loud.  Today it's<BR>
gonna be the Ride of the Valkyries, an old Terran song, and one<BR>
of the Swordies' favorites for midnight rallies.  It just scares<BR>
the hell out of them siegheilers."  <BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:08:47<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Galaxy Quest!<BR>
<BR>
At 09:51 PM 12/30/1999 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
>Two comments--funny movie, and does anybody else see the potential<BR>
>for a "silly" Traveller adventure that I see?<BR>
><BR>
>Picture a dozen or so TML'ers, picked up by aliens who've been<BR>
>monitoring the discussions on near-C rocks, pirates, fleet tactics,<BR>
>et al., and think we're actually as smart as *we* think we are ...<BR>
<BR>
Especially if their word for the Evil Alien Menace is "Keyboard"<BR>
<BR>
"I'll do it, but I want a new spleen."<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:14:11<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Happy New Year!<BR>
<BR>
At 12:09 PM 12/31/1999 EST, you wrote:<BR>
>Happy new year to all on the TML!!!<BR>
><BR>
> Has anybody heard any Y2K problems yet, or can I start laughing at the <BR>
>doomsayers? :-)<BR>
<BR>
Well, Satan and Cthulhu rising from the deep and ravaging the land, but on<BR>
the other hand, the computers are working great!<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:16:16<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy<BR>
<BR>
At 01:40 AM 12/31/1999 EST, you wrote:<BR>
>In a message dated 12/29/99 6:03:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, <BR>
>gridlore@pop.mindspring.com writes:<BR>
><BR>
><< <BR>
> "Love, exciting and new<BR>
> Come aboard, we're expecting youuuu..."<BR>
>  >><BR>
><BR>
>Ob Trav: Put the PC's on the subsidized liner "Imperial Princess" and pipe <BR>
>this song on the sound system CONSTANTLY...:-)<BR>
<BR>
Hmm. before I implement this idea, I'd like to poll the people in the Bay<BR>
Area:<BR>
<BR>
1. Do you own firearms?<BR>
<BR>
2. Are you skilled in the martial arts?<BR>
<BR>
3. How fast can you run when enraged?<BR>
<BR>
4. Would you hit a man with glasses?<BR>
><BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
<BR>
Sarchasm:  The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit<BR>
and the recipient who doesn't get it.<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:11:50<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: RE: Gone for the holidays, and 1yr anniversary<BR>
<BR>
At 03:58 PM 12/30/1999 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
>ROFLMAO!!!!!<BR>
<BR>
BTW Jesse.. you disappear for a week, during which time a bunker in Fresno<BR>
is robbed of 200lbs of explosives.<BR>
<BR>
Jesse, cho got some 'splaining to do....<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
<BR>
"Some days, you just can't get rid  of a bomb!"<BR>
                    -Adam West, as Batman <BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:31:40<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Megacorps<BR>
<BR>
At 12:21 PM 12/31/1999 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>United Defense? Perhaps you mean United Technologies. That's definitely a<BR>
>megacorp. So would General Motors and Ford. What about ExxonMobil (these<BR>
>corporate giants JUST merged), BP/Amoco?<BR>
><BR>
>Any input from the European and Asian sectors?<BR>
<BR>
There used to be (i can't find any sign of it now) a megacorp named<BR>
Beatrice.  For a time it appeared that either controlled or influenced<BR>
every single food corporation in North America.<BR>
<BR>
That's a megacorp.  People in the 3I probably aren't going to buy a General<BR>
Products snazzlefoozer.  They'll buy a Rickij Snazzlefoozer, Rickij is a<BR>
subsidiary of Heinman, LIC, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of General<BR>
Products.<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry   Templar Agent at Large.<BR>
gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/sylea.html<BR>
<BR>
TravGeekCode: <BR>
tc+ tm+ !tn- t4@ ?tg+ tt@ to(CORPS)++ ru@ $ge++ 3i<BR>
ii+ au st+ ls+ pi kk+ so(++) va++ dr+ zh+ sw++ ?da<BR>
         <BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:19:43<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Keyboard kills<BR>
<BR>
At 06:39 PM 12/30/1999 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>That would be me. Honorary kills and near splorts shouldn't count<BR>
>unless you create a separate category for them, because otherwise<BR>
>you have to decide "what would have happened if...", and have<BR>
>people wind up claiming a keyboard for every chuckle or groan.<BR>
<BR>
However, "splorting has become sort of a standard salute to the reaction.<BR>
I honestly don't wan't to actually destroy people's hardware!<BR>
<BR>
the award should be a recognition of the effect that it could have had, not<BR>
necessarily the actuall passage of coffee/soda/pizza through the nasal<BR>
passages.<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:39:56<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Miranda<BR>
<BR>
At 08:55 PM 12/30/1999 -0900, you wrote:<BR>
>The wording I've heard used locally is:<BR>
<BR>
1. You have the right to remain silent and refuse to answer questions. Do<BR>
you understand?<BR>
<BR>
2. Anything you do say may be used against you in a court of law. Do you<BR>
understand?<BR>
<BR>
3. You have the right to consult an attorney before speaking to the police<BR>
and to have an attorney present during questioning now or in the future. Do <BR>
you understand?<BR>
<BR>
4. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you before<BR>
any questioning if you wish. Do you understand?<BR>
<BR>
5. If you decide to answer questions now without an attorney present you<BR>
will still have the right to stop answering at any time until you talk to<BR>
an attorney. Do you understand?<BR>
<BR>
6. Knowing and understanding your rights as I have explained them to you,<BR>
are you willing to answer my questions without an attorney present?<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:43:37<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASS - Farscape<BR>
<BR>
At 02:51 AM 12/31/1999 +1100, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>A coupla weeks ago, someone was asking about Farscape, but not having seen<BR>
the series before, I ignored those posts.  I just saw an ad for it to start<BR>
here next year (Channel 9 for the Australians on the list).  What opinions<BR>
of this series are out there ?  At first glance it looks like a cross<BR>
between Stargate and B5.<BR>
<BR>
Not really..  The basic idea is that in the near future, an astronaut gets<BR>
sucked through a wormhole.  He ends up in another part of the galaxy,<BR>
teamed up with a group of fugitives.  They all have their own goals and<BR>
agendas, and like all great SF, the focus is on the characters.  One of<BR>
which is the ship itself.<BR>
<BR>
Very good show.<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:35:17<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Old laws/weird legal systems<BR>
<BR>
At 08:35 PM 12/30/1999 PST, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>A couple of real world examples:<BR>
<BR>
In San Francisco, it is a crime to drive more than twenty cattle down<BR>
California Street.  That's still on the books.  If I knew where to get 19<BR>
cows...<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:48:34<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: T4: Marine Officer development<BR>
<BR>
At 07:49 PM 12/30/1999 GMT, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>Doug, this does not seem to follow the way Traveller was going.<BR>
>As you'll see below, it is only supported by CT (but higher education<BR>
>did not appear until Book 5 and Marines are in Book 4) and T4 (this<BR>
>might be an error. ;-)<BR>
<BR>
While I appreciate this, I wasn't hired to transcribe CT.  I'm remaining<BR>
faithful to what has gone before, while incorporating things from history<BR>
that in my opinion, make the Marines more interesting.<BR>
<BR>
Before the age of communications, Marine Officers were mainly selected from<BR>
the NCOs who managed to survive a few engagements.  You can't have a<BR>
wet-behind-ears-newbie with a shiny academy degree leading a platoon when<BR>
he doesn't have any practical experience, and might be the *only* Marine<BR>
officer on the planet.<BR>
<BR>
This is also based on my personal bias.. during my service, the best<BR>
officers were those who had been prior enlisted.<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:52:49<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Y2K<BR>
<BR>
At 04:59 AM 1/1/2000 +1100, you wrote:<BR>
>    Quick! Into the bunker!<BR>
>    Here in Australia all the Y2K warnings have come true! We are knee deep<BR>
>in penguins! <BR>
<BR>
Ah, those would be King Penguins then.  Had they been Emperors, you'd be<BR>
hip deep in penguins.<BR>
<BR>
>The lights have gone out! <BR>
<BR>
Yet the computer works?  I smell a Templar plant!  Or a Penguin!<BR>
*Something* smells fishy...<BR>
<BR>
One good thing about living on the West Coast of the US is we get to wait<BR>
and see what happens to everybody else before we go to party.<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas "Penguin" Berry  gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
 http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:57:07 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Mutiny on the Bounty Hunter<BR>
<BR>
>From: Thad Coons <Sapience@compuserve.com><BR>
<BR>
>   1) Geor went to the Merchant Academy, which was a hideous<BR>
>mistake on someone's part. After wasting the best part of two<BR>
>decades trying to turn a sow's ear into a silk purse, or rather<BR>
>this foul-tempered, uscrupulous bully into a competent merchant<BR>
>officer, his company finally dumped him. I have him working as<BR>
a<BR>
>bouncer for right now, but looking for other jobs like loan<BR>
>sharking or bounty hunting.<BR>
>   1a) If he starts into organized crime on his own, the mob<BR>
>will either recruit him or squash him flat before the police <BR>
>do. Does organized crime have "standards" or "rules" for who <BR>
>works for them? On a world with a high law level, what would <BR>
>those be, and what kind of arrangements would let the mob<BR>
exist?<BR>
<BR>
In my Traveller universe, organized crime exists at many levels<BR>
and in many permutations, so just about any answers could be<BR>
true.  Often, criminal organizations are composed of members of<BR>
an extended family, and it may be necessary to marry into the<BR>
family.  Standards for skill levels and whatever are usually not<BR>
terribly important.  As long as you're good people, you can be<BR>
employed by the family or organization.  If you prove yourself,<BR>
you can marry in and get a bigger piece of the action and of the<BR>
power.  <BR>
<BR>
Although criminal organizations frequently specialize (e.g.,<BR>
assassins don't usually get involved in racketeering or drug<BR>
distribution, but may be hired by them; grifters and swindlers<BR>
don't usually get involved in violent crimes), most of them<BR>
usually have use for a foul-tempered, unscrupulous bully.<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:10:05 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: FW: Goverment Overkill<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Walter G. Smith" <smithw@hartwick.edu><BR>
>Subject: FW: Goverment Overkill<BR>
<BR>
>The Soviet Union, faced with the same problem of writing in <BR>
>zero gravity, used a pencil. <BR>
<BR>
From the Diary of Warrant Officer 1st Class Sven Lindstrom, Gram<BR>
Army.<BR>
<BR>
Saurus, 171-1109<BR>
<BR>
After dropping the infantry in the LZ, we laagered the gcarriers<BR>
on bit of high flat ground and waited.  I had seen a village a<BR>
few hundred meters below, and decided to investigate it.  The<BR>
villagers had all fled.  I wandered on dirt alleys between huts<BR>
made from thick leaves and wood.  In a rather elaborate hut, I<BR>
found a small, low bench on which incense and flowers had been<BR>
arranged.  The bench was beautiful, a work of art, artfully<BR>
fitting four kinds of wood together in a tongue-and-groove<BR>
construction, by a society that was not able to smelt iron.  I<BR>
stole it.  <BR>
<BR>
I brought my trophy back to the laager and showed it to my<BR>
comrades.  "Look how strong it is," I said, standing on it.<BR>
"They made it without nails."<BR>
<BR>
"Stupid Sauros haven't invented nails," said Sergeant Kjellsen.<BR>
<BR>
- --with apologies to the author of Chickenhawk, the war memoir of<BR>
a helicopter pilot in Vietnam<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 15:21:09 -0500<BR>
From: Steve Noe <fusilier@mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Family Ships was/Re: Gunnery<BR>
<BR>
Leonard Erickson wrote:<BR>
> >>> "If your scenario calls for large quantities of children,[snip]<BR>
> I expect that "cradles" and even "pappoose carriers" will double as<BR>
> rescue balls. [snip]<BR>
> Kids large enough to run around with minimal supervision [snip] a children's rescue ball.[snip]<BR>
> > A ten year old should<BR>
> > know how to use a vac suit [snip]<BR>
> Actually, going by *farm* life, kids as young as 8 will be operating<BR>
> the simpler equipment. [snip]<BR>
> <BR>
> They'll be *training* on stuff they aren't allowed to do on their own<BR>
> yet. <BR>
[snip] <BR>
> Oh yeah, a duty that kids almost *always* draw... "dusting" the air<BR>
> ducts.[snip]<BR>
> In port, kids barely old enough to read well may be helping the cargo<BR>
> master <BR>
<BR>
For a decent overview, read stories from C.J. Cherryh's Alliance/Union<BR>
universe, particularly _Merchanter's Luck,_ _TriPoint,_ and _Finity's<BR>
End._  <BR>
<BR>
An interesting subtopic - one I'd like to see her explore - is the<BR>
distrust between ships crewed by Family and those with Hire-Ons (=PC'S.)<BR>
<BR>
<insert moustache twirling and audio "nyah hah HAH"><BR>
<BR>
Steve Noe, in indianapolis<BR>
fusilier@mindspring.com<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:19:38 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: re:  Old laws/weird legal systems<BR>
<BR>
>From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
<BR>
>Heck, anybody got a copy of the *real* Miranda warning? Let's <BR>
> see what we can do with it!<BR>
<BR>
The criminal procedure instructor in my bar review course told<BR>
us this much about Miranda:<BR>
<BR>
"Miranda warnings will likely be on the bar exam.  You already<BR>
know everything you need to know about them.  If you think you<BR>
don't, just watch any cop show on tv tonight, and pay attention<BR>
when they arrest the bad guy."<BR>
<BR>
He was right.  It goes like this:<BR>
<BR>
"You are under arrest.  You have the right to remain silent.  If<BR>
you choose not to exercise that right, anything you say can and<BR>
will be used against you in a court of law.  You have the right<BR>
to have an attorney present during questioning.  If you cannot<BR>
afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you by the court. <BR>
Do you understand the rights of which I have just advised you?"<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 15:39:02 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Why use .jpg?<BR>
<BR>
Would that be the Techtronics 40/51 graphics terminal with disk interface?<BR>
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- ----- Original Message ----- <BR>
From: "Leonard Erickson" <shadow@krypton.rain.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 11:56 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Why use .jpg?<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> In mail you write:<BR>
> <BR>
> > Continuous tone images (ie: photographs) should be jpegs. Line art<BR>
> > should be gif. In fact, for something like a deckplan it will just<BR>
> > about always look better in GIF unless you use minimum compression<BR>
> > on your jpeg.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > 3d rendered images can go both ways depending on how complext they<BR>
> > are (as they get more photo-real, they need jpeging). There are a<BR>
> > few sites online that will also optimize your gifs for you to minimize<BR>
> > file size--they are really cool:<BR>
> <BR>
> Actually, best of all would require special hardware. <BR>
> <BR>
> I *really* miss my old Tektronics graphics terminal. *Vector* graphics.<BR>
> *No* pixels. 1024x1024 "addressing". And it was just one of the crude<BR>
> 4010 equivalent units. Not one of the high end jobs that could rotate<BR>
> the images in realtime.<BR>
> <BR>
> Battlestar Galactica used a *ton* of Tek graphics gear. Which made tek<BR>
> *really* POed when the stuff vanished from the sets at the end of the<BR>
> series.<BR>
> <BR>
> -- <BR>
> Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
>  shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
> leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 15:41:45 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Trav-like computer games<BR>
<BR>
If you are referring to "Privateer", an offshoot of the Wing Commander<BR>
Series, I have that but not the other.<BR>
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- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Kyle Schuant" <kyle3054@yahoo.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 1:23 AM<BR>
Subject: Trav-like computer games<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> Hiya all:<BR>
><BR>
> I'm looking at installing some of the good old games<BR>
> on my pc. I'm looking for copies of Elite in<BR>
> particular, I liked the travelling and trading. The<BR>
> sequel, Privateer, is fun, too. Similar games don't<BR>
> seem to be stocked here in Australia: it's all shoot<BR>
> 'em ups and Command&Conquer clones.<BR>
><BR>
> =====<BR>
> KA Schuant<BR>
> member: Chef's Guild International, Sporting Shooter's Assoc, Amnesty Int,<BR>
Carlton Soccer Club<BR>
> Melbourne<BR>
> Australia<BR>
> "Duct tape is like the Force: it has a light side, a dark side, and it<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 15:34:59 -0500<BR>
From: "Michael Peters" <travelleri@home.com><BR>
Subject: Re: GURPS: trav ships and their power requirements<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: Russell Bornschlegel <kaleja@estarcion.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 2:10 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: GURPS: trav ships and their power requirements<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<snipped previous><BR>
> IMTU, you need to run the FTL drive for a while (about 1 High Guard<BR>
> combat round) before you actually leave normal space. If you're<BR>
> trying to jump out of a combat situation, it's nice to have power<BR>
> for both the normal space drive and the FTL drive so you don't<BR>
> become a newtonian target drone (and shortly thereafter, dead)<BR>
> in the meantime.<BR>
><BR>
> - Russell B<BR>
<BR>
Interesting concept Russell. Tell me do you have pre-Jump (last minute)<BR>
manuvers have an affet on Jump as well? Say increasing chance for mis-Jump,<BR>
or randomizing the exit vector, or other nasties? Humm, I can see some<BR>
possibilities in this! Modifying it according to astrogation and/or piloting<BR>
skills, engineering,etc!<BR>
<BR>
However, my original argument still applies, I can see military vessels<BR>
being over powered, and even brand new commercial ships. However, an old,<BR>
"well modified" free trader is very likely (IMHO) to have to allocate power<BR>
according to priority, because the "extras" are more than the Power Plant<BR>
can handle at one time.<BR>
<BR>
Mike<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:38:18 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Rights of accused under Imperial law (Re: Old laws/weird legal systems)<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Craig Lytton" <polecat@ezwv.com><BR>
>Subject: Re: Old laws/weird legal systems<BR>
<BR>
>I'm not sure how the Imperium would apply this concept, I think<BR>
<BR>
>their goals are to keep an Intersteller economy running as <BR>
>smoothly as possible, keep lines of communication open, and <BR>
>provide defense for the subject worlds.  <BR>
<BR>
Yes, that's exactly correct.<BR>
<BR>
>I have a DGP Traveller Digest with an article on Imperial Law <BR>
>that I can look at and send more info later.  <BR>
<BR>
If it's the article I'm thinking of, it's useless.  It tries to<BR>
turn the Imperium into the United States.<BR>
<BR>
>Offhand, I think that the Imperium would be a little more <BR>
>liberal in what sorts of confessions (methods used to<BR>
> obtain them that is) would be admissable in court.<BR>
<BR>
In my Traveller Universe, the Imperial criminal justice system<BR>
is accusatorial, not adversarial.  Finding the truth, not<BR>
fairness of result, is the goal.  Imperial judges (whose noble<BR>
rank is at least Baron) have wide powers to investigate Imperial<BR>
crimes.  <BR>
<BR>
The rights of the accused depend in part on the accused's rank. <BR>
A noble has the following rights<BR>
<BR>
- -to be released on bond, including the word of another noble;<BR>
<BR>
- -to challenge the prosecution before trial to show that the<BR>
prosecution is motivated by evidence linking the noble to the<BR>
crime, i.e., that the prosecution is not politically motivated;<BR>
the noble may present evidence in support of the challenge;<BR>
<BR>
- -to a trial before a tribunal of judges of equal or higher noble<BR>
rank, which is a quasi-adversarial proceeding; <BR>
<BR>
- -to examine the evidence against him or her before trial; <BR>
<BR>
- -to engage an attorney and investigators; <BR>
<BR>
- -to make any statement of explanation or exculpation; and<BR>
<BR>
- -to accuse others.<BR>
<BR>
A commoner has the following rights:<BR>
<BR>
- -to engage an attorney and investigators; <BR>
<BR>
- -to make any statement of explanation or exculpation; and<BR>
<BR>
- -to accuse others.<BR>
<BR>
>As far as the individual worlds who knows???<BR>
<BR>
Anything goes.  Under the Imperial agreement with each world,<BR>
every world may enforce its own laws against anyone within its<BR>
territory except for the starport, Imperial facilities, and<BR>
officials from the Imperium with diplomatic credentials. <BR>
Officials from other worlds, whether Imperial or not, are<BR>
normally given diplomatic immunity as well.  <BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 10:00:10 +1300<BR>
From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: Y2K<BR>
<BR>
On 31 Dec 99, at 11:52, Douglas E. Berry wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> At 04:59 AM 1/1/2000 +1100, you wrote:<BR>
> >    Quick! Into the bunker!<BR>
> >    Here in Australia all the Y2K warnings have come true! We are knee<BR>
> >    deep<BR>
> >in penguins! <BR>
> <BR>
> Ah, those would be King Penguins then.  Had they been Emperors, you'd be<BR>
> hip deep in penguins.<BR>
> <BR>
> >The lights have gone out! <BR>
> <BR>
> Yet the computer works?  I smell a Templar plant!  Or a Penguin!<BR>
> *Something* smells fishy...<BR>
> <BR>
> One good thing about living on the West Coast of the US is we get to wait<BR>
> and see what happens to everybody else before we go to party. -- <BR>
<BR>
Well I haven't noticed any problems, I've shut down and rebooted my PC, <BR>
and it still goes. My files all seem to have the correct dates attached <BR>
to them, even ones created today, so I'm happy.<BR>
<BR>
BTW this is on a Pentium (I can't remember what the BIOS is, but it <BR>
dates from mid 96) with Win95b, and Office97, Pmail, Free Agent (I <BR>
haven't tested anything else yet) and no special precautions, patches, <BR>
etc.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz><BR>
Wellington, New Zealand<BR>
<BR>
A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.<BR>
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Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 10:00:10 +1300<BR>
From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: T4: Marine Officer development<BR>
<BR>
On 31 Dec 99, at 11:48, Douglas E. Berry wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> At 07:49 PM 12/30/1999 GMT, you wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> >Doug, this does not seem to follow the way Traveller was going.<BR>
> >As you'll see below, it is only supported by CT (but higher education did<BR>
> >not appear until Book 5 and Marines are in Book 4) and T4 (this might be<BR>
> >an error. ;-)<BR>
> <BR>
> While I appreciate this, I wasn't hired to transcribe CT.  I'm remaining<BR>
> faithful to what has gone before, while incorporating things from history<BR>
> that in my opinion, make the Marines more interesting.<BR>
> <BR>
> Before the age of communications, Marine Officers were mainly selected<BR>
> from the NCOs who managed to survive a few engagements.  You can't have a<BR>
> wet-behind-ears-newbie with a shiny academy degree leading a platoon when<BR>
> he doesn't have any practical experience, and might be the *only* Marine<BR>
> officer on the planet.<BR>
> <BR>
> This is also based on my personal bias.. during my service, the best<BR>
> officers were those who had been prior enlisted.<BR>
<BR>
I second that. In my TF Battalion we had a 1st Lieutenant that when I <BR>
joined was a Sergeant Major (WO1), who made WO2 (at under 40 years old, <BR>
too) and then went through OCS (which is our standard training for an <BR>
officer - it's not the same as the US OCS). He he was far and away the <BR>
most popular platoon commander, not because he was a nice guy (though <BR>
he was that, too), but because he didn't expect the impossible and knew <BR>
what his orders meant to his men.<BR>
<BR>
The quality of officers who've "come up through the ranks" could also <BR>
be because they are usually a bit older than those that are directly <BR>
commissioned.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz><BR>
Wellington, New Zealand<BR>
<BR>
A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.<BR>
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